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See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of The_Dojang at http://MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! Today's Topics: 1. re: Fakey fake fakers (mctague@att.net) 2. Re: Video Clip: Capoeira KO (Bert Edens) 3. Acrobatic High Kicks Ineffective? (OLUDIPE Olurotimi T.) 4. Re: George Dillman (hapkido1@att.net) 5. Video Clip: Kicking skill (Jye nigma) 6. Re: Acrobatic High Kicks Ineffective? (Jye nigma) 7. Re: Video Clip: Kicking skill (Martin Von Cannon) --__--__-- Message: 1 From: mctague@att.net To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Fri, 02 Oct 2009 10:42:07 +0000 Subject: [The_Dojang] re: Fakey fake fakers Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Dillman's seminars are, um, interesting. When I attended one, he tried to KO everyone in the class, and granted, most people went down, but then again a backfist to anyone who was standing still's jaw would KO most people anyway. Then he said how he could KO a person without ever touching them by hitting their "aura" and his successful demonstrations were impressive. When he tried it on the skeptics in the class and it didn't work, he mentioned something how we didn't have enough belief in the technique to work and how it was the wrong time of day to work our energy fields. I think Dillman's work, as far as basic pressure point theory, helps students identify the basic pressure points in combat and he has done a good job in promoting pressure point theory and bringing it to the attention of the martial arts masses. For me, if he stopped there, most people couldn't say anything bad after that. Unfortunately, it was the wild and extravagent claims of what pressure point fighting could do as well as his extravagent claims of hidden moves in forms which I think give us pause and may tarnish Dllman's reputation in the long run. Dave Weller said: Someone commented about George Dillman and pressure point fighting here is an example or two of the absolute foolishness of this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tefEfolHzjo I believe the portly fellow in the Blue Gi and the Red belt is Mr. Dillman, but I'm not certain. anyway you slice it, it's a load of horse manure. I love all the colorful uniforms and tattered belts... lol this next fellow claimed to be undefeated in 200 fights... until this..... There is a related vid of him tossing a guy around with his "ki" and taking out many students without touching them... I do admire the kickboxer for not killing the poor fella... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oMgVmFzBrus dave weller --__--__-- Message: 2 From: Bert Edens To: "the_dojang@martialartsresource.net" Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2009 08:40:35 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: Video Clip: Capoeira KO Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > > From: Jye nigma > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e0KfQE2-ZqA > Someone should tell that gentleman he did it wrong. Everyone > knows acrobatic high kicks aren't effective in the ring or on > the street. > Pax, > Chris Then again, I don't care what style it is, if your hands are down around your waist, you're asking for an Excedrin headache... :) *bows* --__--__-- Message: 3 Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2009 10:06:51 -0700 (PDT) From: "OLUDIPE Olurotimi T." To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Acrobatic High Kicks Ineffective? Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net How true is it really that aerobatic high kicks aren't effective? I've seen some impressive board breaking with such kicks and I'm quite positive they should have some argument ending results on any person on the receiving end. Or are you referring to the telegraphic nature of it? To another martial artist maybe but it could be fun to touch off a guy on the street with it in the presence of his 'peops' just to make them leave you alone! Y'dig?                     :> > From: Jye nigma > To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > Subject: [The_Dojang] Video Clip: Capoeira KO > Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e0KfQE2-ZqA Someone should tell that gentleman he did it wrong. Everyone knows acrobatic high kicks aren't effective in the ring or on the street. Pax, Chris -- __--__-- --__--__-- Message: 4 From: hapkido1@att.net To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Fri, 02 Oct 2009 18:46:23 +0000 Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: George Dillman Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Having been to one seminar run by a top master under Dillman and having used pressure point strikes. I wasn't impressed at all by the seminar because (1) While strikes or kicks to certain points can cause pain and perhaps knockouts, they won't when delivered as if playing patty-cake. (2) Like any other strike you have to close the gap and penetrate your opponent's guard and hit hard repeatedly if you want to be sure he goes down. (3) I don't believe and have never seen two touches on the opposite sides knockout anyone who wasn't a true believer before being struck. (4) All the demonstrations were shown with a stationary subject who was a member of Dillman's organization. Like the other clip..when reality meets magic...reality wins. I have an old tape of George Dillman training Chicago Police Officers. He does a very good job of showing the use of pressure points for disarms, lock controls, and takedowns. His subjects are not resisting out of respect so even that demo does not show that these lessons work on a hostile combative subject. Nowhere in this seminar does he show or refer to any of these easy knockouts...I wonder if that is because this audience just wouldn't buy it. Vic Cushing --__--__-- Message: 5 Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2009 12:54:04 -0700 (PDT) From: Jye nigma To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Video Clip: Kicking skill Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Az8oSz24n2k&feature=sub --__--__-- Message: 6 Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2009 12:59:21 -0700 (PDT) From: Jye nigma Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Acrobatic High Kicks Ineffective? To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Really it's not a matter of it not working, but it's very risky to do because if your timing isn't right you can pay for it big time; especially in a real fight. To be honest, there were a couple of times where the capoeira man did kicks, missed the mark and could have been punished for it, but his opponent wasn't on point I guess.   Jye --- On Fri, 10/2/09, OLUDIPE Olurotimi T. wrote: From: OLUDIPE Olurotimi T. Subject: [The_Dojang] Acrobatic High Kicks Ineffective? To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Friday, October 2, 2009, 1:06 PM How true is it really that aerobatic high kicks aren't effective? I've seen some impressive board breaking with such kicks and I'm quite positive they should have some argument ending results on any person on the receiving end. Or are you referring to the telegraphic nature of it? To another martial artist maybe but it could be fun to touch off a guy on the street with it in the presence of his 'peops' just to make them leave you alone! Y'dig?                     :> > From: Jye nigma > To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > Subject: [The_Dojang] Video Clip: Capoeira KO > Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e0KfQE2-ZqA Someone should tell that gentleman he did it wrong. Everyone knows acrobatic high kicks aren't effective in the ring or on the street. Pax, Chris -- __--__-- _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list, 2,500 members The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2009: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource. Standard disclaimers apply. Creative Commons Attribution-Noncommercial-Share Alike 3.0 United States License. Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://the-dojang.net --__--__-- Message: 7 From: Martin Von Cannon To: "the_dojang@martialartsresource.net" Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Video Clip: Kicking skill Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2009 16:43:13 -0400 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Impressive! He makes some very good points. Not just how to kick, but where to kick. Also, use of range. -- - Martin E. Von Cannon On Oct 2, 2009, at 15:54, Jye nigma wrote: > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Az8oSz24n2k&feature=sub --__--__-- _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://the-dojang.net Old digest issues @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com/pub/the_dojang Copyright 1994-2009: Ray Terry and http://MartialArtsResource.com Standard disclaimers apply. Creative Commons Attribution-Noncommercial-Share Alike 3.0 United States License. Remember September 11. 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