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See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of The_Dojang at http://MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! Today's Topics: 1. (no subject) (Rudy Timmerman) 2. Taekwondo Unveils Electronic Scoring System (The_Dojang) 3. RE: (no subject) (Rick Clark) 4. Re: Not making black belt (zisheged@aol.com) 5. RE: 5 yr old BB (Thomas Gordon) 6. Re: 5 yr old BB (Martial Arts Account) --__--__-- Message: 1 To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net From: Rudy Timmerman Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 19:16:50 -0400 Subject: [The_Dojang] (no subject) Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Rick writes: Heck, with the way the Nobel Peace Prize was given - why not just evaluate a new student on how good you think they will be --- That Nobel flop was a blatant effort to manipulate the US/Afghanistan policy. Winning the PEACE prize makes it just a tad harder to justify a major surge in boots on the ground there. IMHO, regardless of how much TALKING anyone does for peace, RESULTS of past efforts are what such a prize should be influenced by... not political meddling while our soldiers are being killed while decision making by the recipient is at a critical stage. Rudy --__--__-- Message: 2 From: The_Dojang Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 16:57:02 -0700 To: The_Dojang Subject: [The_Dojang] Taekwondo Unveils Electronic Scoring System Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net On the Scene: Taekwondo Unveils Electronic Scoring System 10/14/2009 Competitors now wear a special sock to create a wireless signal when a point is scored. (ATR) A new scoring system in use at the World Taekwondo Federation is being met with near universal praise. With the new system, fighters wear special electronic socks that create a wireless signal when they hit sensors on their opponent’s vest. The change is done to promote fairness in the sport by taking away a subjective element of the judging. Benaiah Torkornoo, a Ghanaian competitor in the lightweight division told Around the Rings he is in favor of the new changes. “It eliminates human error” he said. Every fighter now “can score their own point.” According to Torkornoo, the new system has already produced benefits. Referring to the match between Jung-ho Park of Korea and Malian, Oumar Cisse on Wednesday, Torkornoo said under the old subjective system of scoring, the human element may have caused judges to be biased in favor of Korea, the powerhouse of taekwondo. Without the electronic system, the judges’ hands would likely have been trigger happy to score a point for Park and “maybe the Mali guy wouldn’t have won.” How many points are rewarded was changed with the new system as well. Three points are awarded for a successful headshot. Previously just two were given. This was changed to encourage more acrobatic kicks with the goal of making the sport more dynamic. Live scoring was also introduced at the world championship. Torkornoo said “the sport has been lacking” that dynamism because fighters were reluctant to aim for their opponent’s head. The new rule “is more rewarding as an athlete” he said. While the new scoring system encourages more flair in the sport, coaches apparently don’t want their fighters to make a dramatic change in their style. Australian coach Jemal Hasan tells ATR “if you are trying to change your strategy straight away then you make [your fighters] disadvantaged.” His advice on how to adapt to the new system? “Let them do what they are doing [well] for years, and they’ll still be getting the points.” Even if his athletes won’t have a dramatic change in technique or strategy, Hasan said the new system makes taekwondo “more professional.” He added that he hasn’t heard any complaints about the new system. “You have no one to complain, you have to complain to yourself because you have to get the point.” Also being unveiled is the use of video replay. Coaches can appeala referees judgment on penalties or points. Torkornoo is in favor of the use of video replay, pointing to its success in the American National Football League. He thinks video replay makes taekwondo “more competitive.” Five fights can take place at one time during the World Taekwondo Federation world championships. Even administrators seemingly are in support of electronic scoring. USA Taekwondo Chairman Kevin Padilla told Around the Rings that as a former competitor “the evolution of body protectors is great. “It’s definitely going to change the dynamics of the game.” He added the new rule of two points for a spinning kick is “nice for the sport of taekwondo” because competitors will take greater risks and make the sport more appealing to audiences. Padilla could only find two faults. No sensors are on the helmets which means the three-point-kick is still at the mercy of a subjective referee’s decision. Additionally, he complained that the foot sensors must hit the chest sensor, which he said with a laugh, “it is equally unfair to both people. Its survival of the fittest, its survival of the smartest guy.” He said he thinks much like adapting to any new technology, the fighters will learn how to control their bodies to hit the correct part of their opponent’s body to score. “It is human nature, we learn we evolve.” Newly re-elected WTF President Chungwon Choue said he hopes to make taekwondo more transparent and dynamic. There was consent that these new technologies would help achieve those goals. The Ballerup Super Arena is the venue for the world championships. “A spectator at home watching this, it has to be exciting to them” Padilla said. “Taekwondo, you can’t compare it to track and field or swimming, or gymnastics, but I hope one day we will be in that place.” The world championships last until the 18th of October. They are taking place in the 1500-seat Ballerup Super Arena just outside Copenhagen. 1000 competitors from 140 countries are participating. The next world championships are in 2011. The host will be determined at the next WTF General Assembly in Cairo. Written by Ed Hula III. --__--__-- Message: 3 From: "Rick Clark" To: Subject: RE: [The_Dojang] (no subject) Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 21:01:44 -0400 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Rudy I could not agree with you more - please do remember my comments were tongue in cheek - and with such a blatant political stunt as the Nobel committee I thought it fit with my other comments. Rick Clark > -----Original Message----- > From: Rudy Timmerman [mailto:kwanjang@sympatico.ca] > Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2009 7:17 PM > To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net > Subject: [The_Dojang] (no subject) > > Rick writes: Heck, with the way the Nobel Peace Prize was given - why > not just evaluate a new student on how good you think they will be > --- > > That Nobel flop was a blatant effort to manipulate the US/Afghanistan > policy. Winning the PEACE prize makes it just a tad harder to > justify a major surge in boots on the ground there. > IMHO, regardless of how much TALKING anyone does for peace, RESULTS > of past efforts are what such a prize should be influenced by... not > political meddling while our soldiers are being killed while decision > making by the recipient is at a critical stage. > > Rudy > _______________________________________________ > The_Dojang mailing list, 2,500 members > The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net > Copyright 1994-2009: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource. > Standard disclaimers apply. > > Creative Commons Attribution-Noncommercial-Share Alike 3.0 United > States License. > > Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://the-dojang.net --__--__-- Message: 4 To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 21:04:49 -0400 From: zisheged@aol.com Subject: [The_Dojang] Re: Not making black belt Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Those I tested at blue belt that I told were not likely to make black belt were offered two options. Either accept demotion and learn the skills or leave. One person stayed and is making poor progress. The others left. Guess what? i made 6th dan but am poor at basketball. I bowl well, dance very well and am a poor football player. Life sucks. So suck it up, find things you'ree good at but don't whine around me. Remember...I'm a hardass. Zeish --__--__-- Message: 5 From: "Thomas Gordon" To: Subject: RE: [The_Dojang] 5 yr old BB Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 21:40:39 -0500 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Master Terry, To me, poome ranking is a good idea. Don't really care for fourth poome offered by KKW but that's another argument/thread/discussion. In our school, junior black belts (poome ranks) wear a black belt with white insert. Not all KMA organizations offer poome ranking. But with that said, I think anyone with an ounce of grey matter in their noggin understands that a 9 year black belt will not be on the same level as an 25 year old black belt. Just as a 58 year old man will likely not have the stamnia like a 18 year old man. It's all relative. And with that said, I personally don't like it when 5-6 year olds are promoted to black belt. I'd rather them at least be potty trained... Thomas Gordon Master's Seminars April 16-18, 2010 www.GordonMartialArts.com/april www.facebook.com/tgkick --__--__-- Message: 6 From: Martial Arts Account To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] 5 yr old BB Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 14:36:41 -0400 Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Other than age, what is the delineation of poom and dan ranks? Meaning - are there any technical differences? Taking for granted that an adult has access to adult strength. Is the knowledge the same? On Oct 15, 2009, at 10:40 PM, Thomas Gordon wrote: > Master Terry, > > To me, poome ranking is a good idea. Don't really care for fourth > poome > offered by KKW but that's another argument/thread/discussion. In our > school, junior black belts (poome ranks) wear a black belt with white > insert. > > Not all KMA organizations offer poome ranking. But with that said, > I think > anyone with an ounce of grey matter in their noggin understands that > a 9 > year black belt will not be on the same level as an 25 year old > black belt. > Just as a 58 year old man will likely not have the stamnia like a 18 > year > old man. It's all relative. > > And with that said, I personally don't like it when 5-6 year olds are > promoted to black belt. I'd rather them at least be potty trained... > > Thomas Gordon > Master's Seminars April 16-18, 2010 > www.GordonMartialArts.com/april > www.facebook.com/tgkick > _______________________________________________ > The_Dojang mailing list, 2,500 members > The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net > Copyright 1994-2009: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource. > Standard disclaimers apply. > > Creative Commons Attribution-Noncommercial-Share Alike 3.0 United > States License. > > Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://the-dojang.net --__--__-- _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://the-dojang.net Old digest issues @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com/pub/the_dojang Copyright 1994-2009: Ray Terry and http://MartialArtsResource.com Standard disclaimers apply. Creative Commons Attribution-Noncommercial-Share Alike 3.0 United States License. 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