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See the Korean Martial Arts (KMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of The_Dojang at http://MartialArtsResource.com Pil Seung! Today's Topics: 1. B.C. court (The_Dojang) 2. Do what is right (Rudy Timmerman) 3. Re: Do what is right (Rick Clark) 4. U.S. disappoints on Day 2 at taekwondo worlds (The_Dojang) 5. Poom (Frank Clay) 6. 5 YO BB (Jerry) 7. Danielle Pelham is Taekwondo World Champ (The_Dojang) --__--__-- Message: 1 From: The_Dojang Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 17:03:01 -0700 To: The_Dojang Subject: [The_Dojang] B.C. court Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Parents cannot waive a child’s right to sue for injuries: B.C. court By NEAL HALL VANCOUVER SUN October 16, 2009 4:02 PM METRO VANCOUVER -- A parent cannot sign away a child’s right to sue for injuries caused by negligence, a judge has ruled in what is believed to be a precedent-setting decision. Victor Wong of Richmond, now a 20-year-old University of B.C. student, sued Lok’s Martial Arts Centre and owner Michael Lok. Wong claimed he suffered injuries because of the negligence of the defendants, including Ramin Asgare Nik, who violently threw Wong to the ground in the course of a sparring match at a Hapkido school owned and operated by Lok’s. Wong alleged the defendants were negligent “in failing to take preventative measures to ensure that injuries did not occur in the course of sparring matches by taking such measures as screening participants, instructing participants, requiring suitable protective gear or carefully supervising matches.” Lok and the martial arts centre went to court to have the lawsuit dismissed, arguing that Wong’s mother, Yen To, signed a release, agreeing not to make legal claims for injuries when Wong first began taking lessons in 2001, when he was 12. The document, titled “Conditions of membership and release,” said: “It is expressly agreed that all exercises and treatments, and use of all facilities shall be undertaken by the student’s sole risk...YOU ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR ALL INJURIES!” B.C. Supreme Court Justice Peter Willcock concluded that while the Infants Act was intended by the legislature to establish the sole means of creating contractual obligations that bind minors, “the act does not permit a parent or guardian to bind an infant to an agreement waiving the infant’s right to bring an action in damages in tort.” The judge dismissed the defendant’s application to strike the lawsuit, but has not ruled on whether the defendants were negligent. That matter now is set to proceed to trial on Nov. 23. “It appears to be precedent-setting in B.C.,” Wong’s lawyer, Bonnie Lepin, said Friday of the ruling. “It may well be the first [ruling of its kind] in Canada.” She said the ruling will not affect parents signing waivers for their children involved in sports or skiing who have accidental injuries. The ruling, she added, only means a parent cannot sign away a child’s right to sue for injuries caused by negligence. Lepin said her client suffered a fracture of his right arm, which required surgery and left the young man partially disabled. His right arm now becomes fatigued and cramped because of the injury, she said. “He gets more time to write exams,” Lepin explained about the UBC student. The full judgment is available online at: http://www.courts.gov.bc.ca/jdb-txt/SC/09/13/2009BCSC1385.htm --__--__-- Message: 2 To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net From: Rudy Timmerman Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 19:32:56 -0400 Subject: [The_Dojang] Do what is right Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Rick writes: <> Hello Rick. I understood that Sir... I was just using the opportunity to say my piece on that issue. Thanks for giving me the chance to root for full support of our soldiers. Every day the politicians delay in making the right decisions cost them. I'm not judging the right from wrong here. It just riles me when they send our boys over and then sway due to political pressure. IMHO, if you think its is wrong for them to be there, get them out... period. If you think it is right, give them FULL support. This bull of fighting wars with one hand tied behind the back has to stop. Thanks Ray for allowing me to vent my frustration. Warmest personal regards Rudy --__--__-- Message: 3 Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 19:20:46 -0500 (CDT) From: Rick Clark To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: Re: [The_Dojang] Do what is right Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Hi Rudy, I could not agree with you more. One of the things that has really got me wanting to scream in frustration is antics like what is reported in http://washingtontimes.com/news/2009/oct/15/troop-funds-diverted-to-pet -proje cts/ it opens with "Senators diverted $2.6 billion in funds in a defense spending bill to pet projects largely at the expense of accounts that pay for fuel, ammunition and training for U.S. troops, including those fighting wars in Iraq and Afghanistan". I served in the USAF during the Viet Nam ear and was stationed in Korea, so as you might expect I am a bit biased on the side of the military. I do agree with you do it or get out. But if we get out then we have to deal with any repercussions that result. As martial artists we know that if we get into a real situation we must fight and fight hard or we will end up in the hospital (or worse), and at the end of the day I would rather have the other guys family cry than mine. Rick Clark www.ao-denkou-kai.org Oct 17, 2009 12:05:35 AM, the_dojang@martialartsresource.net wrote: Rick writes: < comments were tongue in cheek - and with such a blatant political stunt as the Nobel committee I thought it fit with my other comments.>> Hello Rick. I understood that Sir... I was just using the opportunity to say my piece on that issue. Thanks for giving me the chance to root for full support of our soldiers. Every day the politicians delay in making the right decisions cost them. I'm not judging the right from wrong here. It just riles me when they send our boys over and then sway due to political pressure. IMHO, if you think its is wrong for them to be there, get them out... period. If you think it is right, give them FULL support. This bull of fighting wars with one hand tied behind the back has to stop. Thanks Ray for allowing me to vent my frustration. Warmest personal regards Rudy _______________________________________________ The_Doj ang mailing list, 2,500 members The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2009: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource. Standard disclaimers apply. Creative Commons Attribution-Noncommercial-Share Alike 3.0 United States License. Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://the-dojang.net --__--__-- Message: 4 From: The_Dojang Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 17:40:10 -0700 To: The_Dojang Subject: [The_Dojang] U.S. disappoints on Day 2 at taekwondo worlds Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net U.S. disappoints on Day 2 at taekwondo worlds Fri Oct 16, 2009 By USA Taekwondo China's Yu Hou, red helmet, and Italy's Veronica Calabrese compete in the final of the women's 57 kilo class Thursday in Copenhagen. The U.S. National Team was shut out of the medals Thursday during the second day of the WTF World Taekwondo Championships in Copenhagen, Denmark, but a U.S. resident did make it to the podium. Women's National Team featherweight Danielle Holmquist reached the quarterfinal round before dropping a 2-0 decision to eventual bronze medalist Andrea Rica Taboada of Spain. Holmquist began the day with three straight victories, defeating Uzbekistan's Dilobar Saidullaeva, 8-1, the Netherlands' Deborah Louz, 12-2, and then Senegal's Bineta Diedhiou, 12-2, to put her one win away from the medal round. China's Yu Hou won the gold medal, with Italy's Veronica Calabrese taking the silver and Taboada and Taiwan's Pei Tseng claiming the two bronze medals. Men's National Team flyweight James Howe dropped an 11-3 decision to Spain's Joel Gonzalez Bonilla, the eventual gold medalist, in the round of 16. Howe recorded a 7-3 win over Uruguay's Mayko Votta and an 11-5 victory over Iran's Mehdi Ahmadi earlier in the day. Dual citizen Damian Villa, competing for Mexico at this year's world championships, reached the men's flyweight final where he lost to Bonilla, 11-8, but earned the silver medal. Bronze medals went to Afghanistan's Sayed Rezai and Argentina's Mauro Crismanich. The other U.S. National Team member in action on Thursday, women's flyweight Victoria Stambaugh, lost her opening match to Puerto Rico's Dagmar Lopez in sudden death overtime. Both fighters were tied 4-4 at the end of regulation before Lopez scored the decisive point. Lopez is the wife of U.S. National Team member Mark Lopez. Spain's Brigitte Yague Enrique won the women's flyweight gold medal, with Russia's Anna Soboleva claiming the silver medal. Bronze medalists were Yasmina Aziez of France and Jing Wu of China. The U.S. National Team has one gold medal to its credit after the first two days, won by welterweight Steven Lopez on Wednesday's opening day. The world championships continue through Sunday. --__--__-- Message: 5 From: Frank Clay To: the_dojang Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 20:21:28 -0500 Subject: [The_Dojang] Poom Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Ray, I remember when pooms came out in my first school. They remained poom until 16 when they could test for black belt recognition of their rank. We did not have 4th poom nor did we have many students who qualified for anything beyond 1st poom. My kwanjang used a gup system within the poom system so when they got first poom, they automatically went to 9th gup. That way they felt they were advancing, the school made money but they were not able to rapidly advance. For the record, I am opposed to child yudanja. I just don't think they are equipped mentally but that is my opinion. Dong Kwanjang once told me that black belt was supposed to represent maturing of the martial artist. How much maturing can really take place within a child at that point? Frank Clay --__--__-- Message: 6 Date: Sat, 17 Oct 2009 00:23:32 -0400 To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net From: Jerry Subject: [The_Dojang] 5 YO BB Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net I also wonder if the belt is indicative of a "level reached" or a "level currently at" situation. If we are saying that young children should not have a black belt because they don't compare to a 25 year old black belt, well (beling on the other side of 55 I say this carefully) there are seniors who through no fault of their own are no longer at the ability they once held. Or folks who became ill. Should they be demoted ? I'd think probably not as we honor the knowledge they stried for and reached. So not sure if this makes a good argument (there are many more that have been mentioned!) agains full Dan ranking for very young kids. Jerry -- ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ "Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety." - Ben Franklin It's also true that those who would give up privacy for security are likely to end up with neither. It's not the years in your life that count, but the life in your years" "Change is Inevitable, Growth is Optional" "Without continual growth and progress, such words as improvement, achievement and success have no meaning." - Benjamin Franklin ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ --__--__-- Message: 7 Date: Sat, 17 Oct 2009 08:20:14 -0700 From: The_Dojang To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Subject: [The_Dojang] Danielle Pelham is Taekwondo World Champ Reply-To: the_dojang@martialartsresource.net Danielle Pelham is Taekwondo World Champion Bill Kellick - USA Taekwondo October 16, 2009 Women's bantamweight Danielle Pelham (Bothell, Wash.) won the gold medal Friday at the WTF World Taekwondo Championships in Copenhagen, defeating Thailand's Sarita Phongsri in the finals, 5-4. Pulling off the equivalent of a basketball shot at the buzzer, Pelham scored the decisive kick as time ran out in the third and final round then gave a celebratory fist pump as punctuation. Pelham scored the only point of the opening round with a kick to the body, but the action picked up in the second round. The first big blow was a three-point head shot by Pelham to put her up 4-0, but Phongsri quickly countered with a head shot of her own to make it 4-3. Later in the round Pelham picked up her second warning from the center referee which gave a point to Phongsri to tie the match 4-4 heading into the third round. No points were scored in the final period until Pelham's gold-medal kick as time expired. Competing in her first world championships, Pelham, 24, bested a field of 53 fighters. She won her opening match of the day over Egypt's Mariem Ahmed by knockout (she was leading 7-0 at the time), and then posted a 12-4 win over the Ivory Coast's Banassa Diomande. Pelham advanced to the quarterfinals by scoring a punch in overtime against Senegal's Faniang Dieye, and then reached the medal round with a 7-6 victory over Croatia's Jelena Ivancic. She qualified for the gold-medal match with a 6-5 win over Guatemala's Euda Carias Morales in the semifinals. Morales took home a bronze medal as did Korea's Eun-Kyung Kwon. The victory by Pelham gives the U.S. a total of two gold medals in the first three days. Steven Lopez (Sugar Land, Texas) won the men's welterweight gold medal on Wednesday, becoming the first person ever to win five world titles. In the team standings after three days, the U.S. women sit in fourth place and the U.S. men are in fifth. In other action on Friday, men's featherweight Steven Lin (Chatham, N.J.), 22, reached the quarterfinal round before being eliminated. He started his day with a superiority win in overtime over Israel's Tom Hovav and advanced to the round of 16 with a 6-5 victory over the Dominican Republic's Jhohanny Bartermi. An overtime victory against Brazil's Diogo Silva put Lin into the quarterfinals and one win away from a medal, but he dropped a 6-3 decision to Iran's Mohammad Bagheri Motamed to end his run. Motamed would go on to win the featherweight gold medal over Mexico's Idulio Islas, while the bronze medals went to Senegal's Balla Dieye and Turkey's Servet Tazegul. Men's bantamweight Brian Gallagher (Highlands Ranch, Colo.), 23, registered a 7-4 opening match win over Germany's Boris Winkler, but then lost in the round of 32 to Afghanistan's Ziaullah Amal 6-0. Korea's Hyo-Seob Yeom won the gold medal with Iran's Reza Naderian taking the silver medal. Spain's Javier Marron Jimenez and Turkey's Cem Ulugnuyan won the bronze medals. The world championships continue through Sunday with the remaining schedule for U.S. fighters listed below: Saturday, October 17 Men's under 54 kg - Luis Reyes (Chatsworth, Calif.) Men's under 87 kg - Antony Graf (Miami, Fla.) Women's under 46 kg - Talina Le (Woodinville, Wash.) Women's under 73 kg - Dalia Avivi (Plantation, Fla.) Sunday, October 18 Men's under 74 kg - Mark Lopez (Sugar Land, Texas) Women's under 62 kg - Stephanie Beckel (Miami, Fla.) Women's over 73 kg - Lauren Cahoon (Miami, Fla.) --__--__-- _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://the-dojang.net Old digest issues @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com/pub/the_dojang Copyright 1994-2009: Ray Terry and http://MartialArtsResource.com Standard disclaimers apply. Creative Commons Attribution-Noncommercial-Share Alike 3.0 United States License. Remember September 11. 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